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OttawaPonder
01-06-2006, 07:20 PM
I have three 100 gal rubbermate stock tanks on one side of my indoor pond room.

I have one tank for a settling chamber and a place to over winter some of my out door pond plants. I also wanted all 3 tanks tied in together while at the same time to be able to use one of the two main tanks or both fro new or sick fish. A QT - while still having the rest of the system up and running as it was if needed.

I knew I wanted bottom drains!! However, I did not want to put any holes in the bottom of the tank. This way if I stop having fish or we move far away - I could have more options to whom I could market the tanks and that should help me unload them faster. I could not picture anyone other then a PONDER - wanting to buy stock tanks after I had put holes in them.. LOL

So picture a U shape layout. At the bottom part of the "U" is my settling chamber. On either side I have the main tanks. One for new or sick fish and the other one as a back up - That way if I have new fish arrive and some that are sick and needing QT during the same time frame I can do it with the same set up.

Now the bottom drains exit each of the two main tanks from the hole that was facture supplied if one wanted to use a heater. That way I did not have to drill any other holes - So far - fingers crossed. :grin:

With the two main tanks sitting across from each other I staggered the plumbing so one attaches to the bottom drain pipe work a few inches before the other one. I used "Y" for both - one in line just before the other. Then the pipe work which is in between the two main tanks leads down to the bottom of the "U" shape set up to the third tank or the settling chamber. In side the settling chamber I placed a 90deg and either 45s or 22s to rap it back around to the same side in which it entered the tank and made it run along one side wall on wehile laying on the bottom of the settling chamber. I did this so the water coming out of the pipe from either or both of the main tank's bottom drains would flow over/around the 300 watt heater I use to heat up the water. This helped to protect the heater from over heating. And by putting it in the settling chamber I no worries now - about fish being around it.

Now you might be wondering how I made the BD's? I first used a PVC male threaded connector (srry don't know it's name) that has a little lip of PVC male pipe on the end. It took a little time to rework the threads so it would thread into the female threads already part of the stock tank. Then I used a street 90. I slide the female part of the 90 over that little pvc lip I spoke of above. That left me with another male end, off the first street 90, to which I used yet another street 90 to slip over the first one. LOL With me so far. :grin: Then I used a female connector to slide over the male part of the last street 90. That left me with a female connector - so I cut some pvc pipe long enough to be glued inside the last female connector with just enough of the pipe left over so I was able to glue on a T fitting and have none showing. This also placed the bottom part of the "T" right in the middle of my 100 gal stock tank. You must use a "T" fitting that has a sweep leading to the side part of the "T" fitting and NOT a straight one!! The reason for this - to have better flow.

So picture if you will a "T" which is placed so that the bottom is now the side and that is the one with the sweep - which becomes the exit part of my bottom drain system. And for the bottom drain it self I used a 1.5" to 3" reducer made to fit by cutting off about half of the 1.5" side. You might be wondering why use a "T"? What is the other connector going to be used for? That other connector is now sticking striaght up from where I have the bottom drain. I placed a dishwasher connector there. So now If I want the bottom drain to flow out of the main tank and go to the settling tank I smiply use a rubber plug to block off the dishwasher connector. HOWEVER - if I need to use one of my tanks as a QT - I close the ball valve - oh thats right - I have a ball valve just out side all three tanks. So I close the ball valve to whichever of the two main tanks I want to become a QT and I remove the rubber plug and I simply slide the hose of one of my large canister filters over the dishwasher connector. That hose becomes the inlet to my filer and yet it still uses the BD. That way that tank becomes a QT and the water gets pulled up from the bottom drain to the canister filter and then back to the tank. With one, or only a few fish, the filter does not need cleaning that often. And when the filter goes back online with the entire system and the inlet is placed back in the settling chamber - the filter needs even less cleaning then. GOT to like that!! less maintenance.

Now when the main tanks are used for healthy fish - Like when I over winter my out door pond fish - I put the rubber plug back on the dishwasher connector, I open the ball vavle and I place the hose that is the inlet to the canister filter back in the settling chamber. That way the water and debis leaves the main tank by gravity and the inlet hose of the filter draws its water from the settling chamber now and not the one tank as above. Then after it passes through the filter it returns back to the main tank. And it goes around and round and around again and again. LOL (being silly)

I hope to post pictures srping/summer 2006

PS gving my weee lil brain and eyes a break - so I will have to reread this another time. Hope it is understandable.

Ian
01-06-2006, 10:59 PM
Post pictures in the spring? We need pictures now :grin: Plumbing lingo to boot.. You lost me after you have three 100 gal rubermaid tanks...(kidding)...

Jackie Ramo
01-07-2006, 12:38 AM
If we can't get a picture can we get a drawing. Its sounds very interesting but I can't figure out how it works. Mind a drawing won't help me but Ian will explain it to me

OttawaPonder
01-09-2006, 11:20 AM
Boy oh boy you two (Ian and Jackie) sure are demanding. :-P LOL :lol:

Hey, I have a great idea - how about one or both of you pitch in and buy me a digital camera that I have been wanting for now on 5 years. That way I can post real nice pictures "FAST". :smile: Sounds good to me. :)

Here is a drawing I did when Jackie first did her post - however it took me this long to get it to upload.

This set up takes up an 8 foot by 8 foot space. That encludes the Sump Pump Pit needed for our basement and the large filter set up shown in the lower right corner of the picture below.
http://backyardpuddle.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10006/My%20QT%20and%20Extra%20Tank%20Set%20Up%7E0.JPG

Hope this helps..

Jackie Ramo
01-09-2006, 07:06 PM
Tony, sorry I am very slow about plumbing but I can't see how the water gets back to the tanks.

If you are having problems with posting the drawings you can send them to either Terri or myself and we will get them up for you.

OttawaPonder
01-09-2006, 09:57 PM
Where is voice chat when you really need it. LOL

Jackie, I can explain it over the phone some time. Srry but for right now with all we (the MRS and I) are dealing with - it is the best I can do/offer.

Jackie Ramo
01-10-2006, 12:16 AM
Hope the things that are keeping you busy are good things Tony. I'll stop being lazy and reread the first post a few more times. It looks like a good system for a small space. Something we can all use.

OttawaPonder
01-10-2006, 01:04 PM
http://backyardpuddle.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10006/My%20QT%20and%20Extra%20Tank%20Set%20Up%202.jpg

NOTE: I planned for the large filter however it is not set up yet. I am using the smaller 2400 canister filter. I tried to purchase a new large filter this past fall/winter - hoping to get one on sale/heavy discount - but no such luck.

Again like stated in box #1 I place the inlet to the small filter in the settling chamber when I want the water to go from Main Tank #1 to settling chamber and back again. IF settling chamber will be down for a long time for cleaning or I just need Main Tank for a QT - I then place the inlet to the small filter on top of the "DISHWASHER" connector of my BD set up. that way the water remains in the one tank.

Hope that helps to clear things up,

PS sure wish I had a good camera to show how clean the main tank stays - with only the small 2400 canister filter and settling chamber in operation. The stuff in the settling chamber is unbelievable! And the flow rate is not that much at only 240 GPH.

Jackie Ramo
01-10-2006, 02:48 PM
Tony, after you complaining about seeing boxes with red X's now I'm seeing them :frisbee: Not sure why this pic isn't showing but the other one is.

OttawaPonder
01-10-2006, 05:03 PM
It worked for me when I came back to this forum hours later. Plus I clear out all my temps and cookies when I log off.

Guess you will have to wait (oh my - what am I saying and or asking - a gal to wait - to be patient LOL :lol: he he he) Guess you will have to wait till others try and see what happens.

Good luck hope it starts working for you...

Sandi_W
01-10-2006, 11:37 PM
Jackie, I get the dreaded "Red X" also.

And Tony, US gals have lots of patience! Otherwise I think we would have already eliminated the male species. :wink:

Sandi

Jackie Ramo
01-11-2006, 12:10 AM
:lol: @ Sandi

Jackie Ramo
01-11-2006, 06:11 PM
Thanks for fixing the pic Tony. I can see it now.

So is the 2400 filter in the place where the large filter is in the picture and fulfulling that role?

OttawaPonder
01-11-2006, 07:06 PM
Jackie,

Right now the 2400 is placed where I show it in the first picture.

However once I have the Larger filter and in operation I will be moving the 2400 to where I have it shown in the second picture.

Sandi_W
01-12-2006, 09:47 AM
Tony,

It looks like a great system, but I'm "plumb dumb". I'm rereading it several times to take it all in. Thanks for sharing.

Sandi

Jackie Ramo
01-12-2006, 11:09 AM
OK Tony one more question... yeah I know I should re read it and I did skim it again but is the only pump a 240 gallon and where is it placed... I lied two questions :grin:

OttawaPonder
01-12-2006, 12:43 PM
Oh sure Sandi, and more so Jackie, Gals are patient.. Guess that is why Jackie keeps asking questions that have already been answered. :lol:

And like she said her self - she should re-read it LOL..

Jackie, you know me I had to pull your leg. :grin:

As for the pump - it is built in to the 2400 canister filter.

I like that kind of set-up so once I have the larger pump, filter and TT set up on the entire layout - should I ever need the QT for any reason - all I have to do - like I said before :wink: - is place the inlet hose of the 2400 on the "dishwasher fitting" and close the ball valve of that tank's BD.

Jackie Ramo
01-12-2006, 08:59 PM
What are you palning to use to build the TT with and what media will you use? See none of that is covered in the previous posts :frisbee:

OttawaPonder
01-13-2006, 11:28 AM
Jackie, Me thinks - you just like asking questions LOL

I had a few ideas on how to make the TT

1) I have some left over plastic window planter boxes

2) I saw a nice SS DIY set-up I really liked - however the $$$$$$$ for material

3) Gene has a nice one I kinda like - it is made of PVC piping hanging from above any given tank.

As for media - I have to check with Gene and others as that is not my strong point.

Jackie Ramo
01-13-2006, 11:48 AM
Jackie, Me thinks - you just like asking questions LOL


I like to keep you out of trouble while the Mrs is at work :frisbee:

OK on the TT, many folks are looking to add these to their ponds and tanks and the more ideas we have the better. Mine is a Strawberry pot, pretty and works quite well. OTOH it won't work as well as Beth's bakki shower does. It is an option I am considering for the main pond this spring. Have to find some way to increase filtration out there. Keep working on it, I know you will have your own twist to building it.

Elizardbreath
02-16-2006, 04:40 AM
I like to keep you out of trouble while the Mrs is at work :frisbee:

OK on the TT, many folks are looking to add these to their ponds and tanks and the more ideas we have the better. Mine is a Strawberry pot, pretty and works quite well. OTOH it won't work as well as Beth's bakki shower does. It is an option I am considering for the main pond this spring. Have to find some way to increase filtration out there. Keep working on it, I know you will have your own twist to building it.

From your mouth to the goddess's ears. I was all bummed about the lack of success with my bakki until I remembered there is NO drain on the bottom. I have no idea why you need one so badly but there must be a pipe pulling stuff off the bottom. There is no clear pond without it. I just can't believe the difference in having a drain pulling that water up from the bottom. The PMS should start working quite well by then.

My daughter and I are going on a whirl wind extravaganda to Europe. We are leaving 2/21 and coming back in March. She is fencing two competitions plus a week in Tauber!! By the time I get home I can fine tune the ponds, take the covers off and start feeding my fish. Be prepared for many pictures.

The World Championships for cadet and junior are in April and by then I think I will have to pry myself from home. Darn that kid!!!
Later...
LizardBeth

Jackie Ramo
02-16-2006, 09:25 AM
Sorry Beth but you have confused me, did you put in a bottom drain in the pond bottom or a drain on the Bakki Shower bottom...

Have a wonderful trip. Fencing!! how great is that! Good for you to support her in this.