Flukes Again !!!

[GregBickal]

:mad: I am so mad I can spit bullets right now. A customer came over to by some of last years fingerlings and I discovered a couple of koi with some problems. One's anus had some kind of a growth, and another had some tail rot. I did a scraping and found a single Gill Fluke on the koi with Tail rot.

This, in a tank that (in the past few months) has been treated with .7% salt, PP, Supaverm TWICE. and been treated with Proform C :mad: :mad:

This customer has bought koi from this tank last week, and I told them that I will be treating their pond for them also.

This is my 500 gallon garage pond. Only has about 12 fingerlings in it, and way over-filtered and circulated for them.

I NEED SOMETHING TO KILL THIS CR@P ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

I read in K2K that flukes are egglayers. Lifecycle from egg to adult is 60 hours. So does that mean, that if I treat a tank with Supaverm, in about 20 days, other dormant eggs could hatch, and if I dont catch it within 60 hours, the cycle repeats.... Anything kill the eggs too ? I found this weird looking thing on one of the scrapings. Is this one of their eggs ?

The thing that worries me the most, is if I can't get rid of this paracite inside, in a tank with a clean environment and known volume, how the heck can I know if I got rid of it outside in my big pond....

Just when I was starting to feel better about this hobby....... :-?

[Tamianth]

Hi Greg,

Unfortunatly, the bad news is there is two types of flukes, egg layers and live bearers. You can actually see baby flukes inside the fluke, and at higher power, a baby inside the baby even! :(

I couldn't tell you on the pic, it doesn't look like anything I saw at the wet lab but then again, they didn't show pics of the egg layers or eggs. :(

Now mind you, the closest thing I can say it "looks like" is ich, which often takes microscope id on koi, darn stuff can move, stretch and travel..... !wow! But I'm not saying it is. There doesn't seem to be that white dash/comma shaped nucleouse center.... soooooooo, might want to have REC look at that.....

[Jackie Ramo]

I've always believed that parasites are always with us and it is impossible to get rid of them all. This is especially true with a pond environment as wildlife is always bringing new things in. What one wants to accomplish to to keep that at levels that don't bother the fish.

[Terri]

Some one correct me if I'm wrong but gill flukes are live bearers. You nuke momma you nuke baby too. With skin flukes you need multiple treatments to get the eggs that will hatch, this is temp dependant I think...