Phil Big Pond Disaster

[Jackie Ramo]

Phil came by yesterday and lent a hand with my pond problems. While here he brought his pictures of his collasped waterfall and pond edges. As you can see, he is a very large job on his hands., plus the wife has given him a small other project. A busy guy our Phil.


Well it seems Phil is not the only one having difficulties uploading pics... I've resized but they will not go through either to this thread or to the members gallery.... help???

[Koidaddy]

email them to me and I'll upload via photobucket.:grin:

[philly]

email them to me and I'll upload via photobucket.:grin:

I guess I shot my mouth too quickly, he's going to make me eat my words by offering you help now. :doh: :tantrum:

[Jackie Ramo]

I took KD's advice and opened a photobucket account for Phil:lol:

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[Jackie Ramo]

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[philly]

Jackie, Thanks very much for setting up the account for me and posting the photos, you're the greatest. :bow:

[clm]

Oh my Phil. That's going to be a lot of work. I wouldn't worry about your liner being punctured. Your pond is deep enough, the water would have slowed them down enough to not do any damage, at least that's what I think.

clm

[carcha koi]

Some of those rocks are going to be heavy. Let me know when you plan to move them. I will try and give you a hand.

[philly]

Oh my Phil. That's going to be a lot of work. I wouldn't worry about your liner being punctured. Your pond is deep enough, the water would have slowed them down enough to not do any damage, at least that's what I think.

clm

I hope you're right about the pond being deep and slowing down the rocks from puncturing the liner when they all fell in.

[philly]

Some of those rocks are going to be heavy. Let me know when you plan to move them. I will try and give you a hand.

Sure Chris Thanks for the offer. Now the hand you're going to give me is that a KD special like a clap. :frisbee:

[Marg]

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(My before pictures are the same views as the first and last ones that Jackie posted.)

Wow! Have you made any progress or plans? Sure looks like quite an ordeal to get those big rocks out and especially without dropping them back in.:doh:

:scratch:Any friends with hoists and knowhow?:balloons:

It was enough to lift out your big white Koi last year......big job ahead of you.
Wish I knew how to help. :banghead: :grouphug::x:
Marg

[Koidaddy]

Looks like Phil's going to require back surgery when he gets done! We should start taking up a collection for flowers now!:lol:

[philly]

(My before pictures are the same views as the first and last ones that Jackie posted.)

Wow! Have you made any progress or plans? Sure looks like quite an ordeal to get those big rocks out and especially without dropping them back in.:doh:

:scratch:Any friends with hoists and knowhow?:balloons:

It was enough to lift out your big white Koi last year......big job ahead of you.
Wish I knew how to help. :banghead: :grouphug::x:
Marg

No progress yet Marg, yesterday was a wash out Cold and hailing some rain too, as for hoisting the rocks out will have to come up with a good plan group support well better than working by yourself. Yesterday evening did settle down could have done a little work in the front yard as the MRS wants but decided to Chill a bit before driving her the BIL, SIL, MIL up to Rama for the night didn't get home this morning till after 3am. :grin:

[philly]

Looks like Phil's going to require back surgery when he gets done! We should start taking up a collection for flowers now!:lol:

Thanks KD for the generous intention, you had me worried there. I was thinking you were offering to do back surgery on me. :HAHA: :HAHA:

[Koidaddy]

Thanks KD for the generous intention, you had me worried there. I was thinking you were offering to do back surgery on me. :HAHA: :HAHA:

... gave up surgery when I gave up drinking!:phfft:

[philly]

... gave up surgery when I gave up drinking!:phfft:

I'm glad you did now there are some pretty LUCKY people around. :lol:

[clm]

No progress yet Marg, yesterday was a wash out Cold and hailing some rain too, as for hoisting the rocks out will have to come up with a good plan group support well better than working by yourself. Yesterday evening did settle down could have done a little work in the front yard as the MRS wants but decided to Chill a bit before driving her the BIL, SIL, MIL up to Rama for the night didn't get home this morning till after 3am. :grin:

It was cool Saturday, but we were lucky as in no rain. It was all around us and we saw lots of clouds move over but we were able to work outside all afternoon with no trouble. :phfft:
Getting those rocks out of there is going to be a big job. Maybe you should invite a bunch from work over to your house for a rock moving party. :-P

clm

[philly]

No way I'm bringing guys from work home, can't get them to do any work there don't think it will be any different here. :grin:

[Marg]

If you had a hoist set up, it would just lift them up but still be over the middle of the pond.

If you could build a ramp with sides that the rocks could be winched up (slid up) to the side that might work. That could get them out of the pond so you could figure out the next step.

Have you a strong tree or solid post in the ground that a winch/come-along could be attached to? Do you know someone with an electric winch/tow cable?

I found this article on a guy using a come-along. http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.erasmatazz.com/Personal/GatewayImages/BigComeAlong.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.erasmatazz.com/Personal/Gateway.html&usg=__zA-Xda2a2yOEumv8ppYuRgP0NNw=&h=276&w=500&sz=69&hl=en&start=18&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=MD8D4trz1jE-HM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcome-along%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1

Perhaps you could do what he did in the diagram and pull your rocks up a ramp.

Just thinking....
Marg

[Jackie Ramo]

We used a sling made from extra liner to move the rocks from the main pond to the totem pond. Heavy work and Phil's rocks may be bigger and heavier, hard to tell size from these photos.

[philly]

If you had a hoist set up, it would just lift them up but still be over the middle of the pond.

If you could build a ramp with sides that the rocks could be winched up (slid up) to the side that might work. That could get them out of the pond so you could figure out the next step.

Have you a strong tree or solid post in the ground that a winch/come-along could be attached to? Do you know someone with an electric winch/tow cable?

I found this article on a guy using a come-along. http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.erasmatazz.com/Personal/GatewayImages/BigComeAlong.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.erasmatazz.com/Personal/Gateway.html&usg=__zA-Xda2a2yOEumv8ppYuRgP0NNw=&h=276&w=500&sz=69&hl=en&start=18&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=MD8D4trz1jE-HM:&tbnh=72&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcome-along%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1

Perhaps you could do what he did in the diagram and pull your rocks up a ramp.

Just thinking....
Marg

Thanks Marg very interesting, if I only had a backhoe life would be easier. My back is killing me today as last night worked for hours planting my Pom Pom tree did not want to leave it outside as I know it would be gone, remember the circle in the boulevard war stolen a couple years ago. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[philly]

We used a sling made from extra liner to move the rocks from the main pond to the totem pond. Heavy work and Phil's rocks may be bigger and heavier, hard to tell size from these photos.

Jackie there is one rock that's around 1,000 lbs I saving that for you to move, the rest are between 100 lbs to 200 lbs believe me I put them there myself. :HAHA: :HAHA:

[carcha koi]

Not a problem until we get them to the surface:lol:

[philly]

Not a problem until we get them to the surface:lol:

We! are you volunteering for the job of removing them from the bottom of the pond, if you're beers, lunch and dinner is on me. :yesyes: :yesyes:

[Marg]

I have seen a few as I read.
I will come and help ...if there is anything I can do....

How did you get the stones set up (by yourself) in the first place?

My big question is what is behind the liner? What is holding up the patio?
Is your soil the good old red clay that I used to have in Oakville? :frisbee:The kind that gets slippery when wet?

Looking at the photos I posted this morning...you have a post further back...
is that one really deep in the ground that could be used to be an anchor for a come-along?
Marg

[philly]

Yes Marg the soil is good old HARD clay and the posts are 4' down 6X6 posts. The big rock took 3 big guys to roll it in from the front yard and 2 to stack the smaller wall stones. :crybaby:

[Jackie Ramo]

I hope you paid those 3 big guys so they will come back and help you!! Definately will have to be winched out somehow if it is 1,000 lbs.

[philly]

I hope you paid those 3 big guys so they will come back and help you!! Definately will have to be winched out somehow if it is 1,000 lbs.

I'm waiting for you to come over, why do you think we're still friends for now maybe not after the hard work. :lol:

[Jackie Ramo]

We will come over and lend a hand when you are ready but it better be soon as we are travelling again.

[philly]

For someone who said we have not much money to throw around you're sure spending it quickly last few months. :yup:

[carcha koi]

I may have some time in a couple weeks. Just have to work out ransportation( One car family)

[philly]

I may have some time in a couple weeks. Just have to work out ransportation( One car family)

I wonder if my company would send a private jet to get you down here to help me out to promote employee recognition. :grin:

[carcha koi]

I am up for that:lol:

[philly]

I am up for that:lol:

Let me check into it no promises so don't get your hopes up. :HAHA:

[marla]

OMG that is a major rock slide, think you need a "watch for falling rocks" sign and just leave them and rebuild the falls:grin: All kidding aside, that is going to be a major task to get them out. I would offer my assistance, but with my back problems, drive distance and no passport yet, I wouldn't be much help. Make sure you document the progress. Are you going to redesign the falls so it doesn't happen again?

[philly]

Yes have to put in some cement post support if I ever get to it this year, right now the front yard Japanese garden has priority according to the MRS.

[clm]

I think your pond needs professional assistance this time Phil. Worth it to get those rocks out and not endanger yourself. Pay someone to get the rocks out and rebuild the waterfall.

clm

[philly]

The only payment the MRS is writing the cheque for is when the guy to fill in the pond. :roll:

[Busy B]

Oh my! *hey everyone*...I must of missed it..what happened??? soft ground after winter? How heartbreaking and back breaking.

[Koidaddy]

The only payment the MRS is writing the cheque for is when the guy to fill in the pond. :roll:

A Man-haven is a must - I think the little lady needs an attitude ajustment.... I'm sending Jackie over to talk to her!
You can thank me later!
KD
:frisbee:

[Marg]

Yes you missed it! :doh:
Over the winter, Philly has had water problems with his hoses. :banghead:
Then it was topped off when some very heavy rocks from his wall and falls tumbled into his pond.:jaw:

:dunno:Problem is how to lift 100 to 1000 pound rocks out:yeahbaby:
without anyone, including fish, getting hurt :oops: or damaging the liner. :eeeeek::tantrum:

Stay tuned.......
Marg

[Koidaddy]

Personally, I would just leave all larger rocks in pond and recover what I can without killing myself.

Phil can always purchase some new larger rocks or opt for a different design?


KD
:grin:

[philly]

A Man-haven is a must - I think the little lady needs an attitude ajustment.... I'm sending Jackie over to talk to her!
You can thank me later!
KD
:frisbee:

Are you kidding me KD Thank you later! Jackie wants the MRS to guide her so she could get Smith to do her bidding's. :roll:

[philly]

Yes you missed it! :doh:
Over the winter, Philly has had water problems with his hoses. :banghead:
Then it was topped off when some very heavy rocks from his wall and falls tumbled into his pond.:jaw:

:dunno:Problem is how to lift 100 to 1000 pound rocks out:yeahbaby:
without anyone, including fish, getting hurt :oops: or damaging the liner. :eeeeek::tantrum:

Stay tuned.......
Marg

Marg, what's life without excitement although this one nearly killed me. :lol:

[philly]

Personally, I would just leave all larger rocks in pond and recover what I can without killing myself.

Phil can always purchase some new larger rocks or opt for a different design?


KD
:grin:

Sure KD right this moment an aquarium design with two tiny koi sounds good with no expenses and hard work he he.

[marla]

HI Busy, nice to see you dropped by.
even if I don't post, I have to stop by daily for the good laugh the banter between KD, Philly and carcha koi you would think they were sibblings :HAHA::HAHA:

[philly]

Marla, Heaven's no we're not related. Thank goodness for that! don't want this world to be in more trouble than it is. :lol:

[Busy B]

Hey Marge and Marla...me too...pop in every once in awhile but no pond and fish in hibernation so not much happening...

Saddest thing ever kept me on the brink for the last month...my poor dog passed away...somehow got into antifreeze somewhere in the neighborhood...my heart is still in pieces.

Soooo...I still don't understand how the slopes gave way? Too many rocks or were you rearranging them Philly when you were working on the hoses? I agree it will be no fun to get them out...slippery liner even trying to hoist them out will be a challenge.

[philly]

Busy Sorry to hear that you lost such a close friend or family as some people would say.
The hose to the waterfall came apart and most of the water was pumped out, say over 6,000 gallons luckily the kois manage to survive, between the water loss and the heavy rain the ground was very soft from the mild weather which cause the waterfall to gradually slope inwards towards the pond eventually sliding into it, had the ground been frozen it might have held up and not gone in, as they say $hit happens guess it was my turn. :lol:

[Marg]

I am so sorry to hear about your dog. That is so hard to have that happen.
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
Hope your spirits lift as your weather warms and your pond opens up.
Marg

[Jackie Ramo]

Sorry about your pup Busy, its so hard to lose them especially like that. One wishes people would be more careful with their poisons.

[Koidaddy]

Busy,

Just read about your doggie... So sorry.

KD

[Koidaddy]

Phil,

How is the disaster moving along?

KD

Gotta get the pond looking perfect for you know who's visit!:HAHA:

[philly]

Sorry KD have to disappoint you haven't touched the pond yet as I'm working on the front yard, just got in from planting the Dwarf Balsam Fur. :grin:

[marla]

Busy, yes sorry about your dog, similar thing happened to my son's dog. Hard to loose a pet, I have to much experience with it over the few years.

[marla]

:frisbee:Philly are you ever going to post any pictures of the front yard garden work??? wondering if you are really working?

[philly]

Yes Marla as soon as Jackie teaches me how to download them and post them. :lol:

[Jackie Ramo]

He forgot to bring the camera when he was here so I could not post the pictures.

[philly]

Yes, my fault I was in such a rush the last time didn't even think of carrying the camera with me. :roll:

[carcha koi]

Phil, If I can figure out how to post a pic anyone can.You may have to resize the pic first.
Good luck:wink:

[philly]

Chris, computers and I don't get along very well. :HAHA: :HAHA:

[carcha koi]

Me as well:lol:

[philly]

I guess we should get KD to teach us both seeing he's a wizz at it. :grin:

[Koidaddy]

I guess we should get KD to teach us both seeing he's a wizz at it. :grin:

Computer stuff is second nature to me... always been fascinated by them _ Was the I.T. guy at my last job.:grin:

[philly]

Always thought you were a Geek just didn't know which type. :HAHA: :HAHA:

[Jackie Ramo]

So have you made any progress on this? Is the front garden done yet???

[Koidaddy]

So have you made any progress on this? Is the front garden done yet???


Jackie, Phil hasn't even started to feed his fish yet (True) What makes you think he's made progress.... although, I'm sure his front yard is looking great! (that compliment was difficult).

:phfft:

[philly]

So have you made any progress on this? Is the front garden done yet???

I hate to say it rained too much did not want to stand in the mud and it was too hot to do anything. :HAHA: :HAHA:

[philly]

Jackie, Phil hasn't even started to feed his fish yet (True) What makes you think he's made progress.... although, I'm sure his front yard is looking great! (that compliment was difficult).

:phfft:

I did feed the fish almost a week now and for some reason the water is clearing up, trying to clean the weed up that's starting to grow everywhere but it's hard ask Jackie. :lol:

[Koidaddy]

I did feed the fish almost a week now and for some reason the water is clearing up, trying to clean the weed up that's starting to grow everywhere but it's hard ask Jackie. :lol:

Yup, My green water in my Q too has strangely cleared up?:yup:

[philly]

Maybe it's the chemical in the rainfalls. :wink:

[philly]

Just fed the fish again 3rd time today did notice 5 to 6 new 4" koi must be last years spawn then again they might have spawned sometime in the last few days the water has quite a few bubbles you all know what it looks like will do a water change before leaving for work. I better hit the sack now or it's going to be a painful night, there's lot of work to catch up on. :banghead: :banghead:

[Jackie Ramo]

No way a few days ago spawn is 4" long... seem small to be last years but may have been a late spawn. Weeding was invented by the devil....

[marla]

darn if I had that passport I would come help you Jackie, I love to weed I find it such a stress releaser.
Just read that passport prices are going up Tues. :banghead: new I should have not procrastonated

[philly]

If you keep procrastinating the might add another tax to it before you decide to really go and get it. :frisbee:

[Jackie Ramo]

Marla, I remember the days I loved to weed. I was younger then ;-) He or she who hesitates loses.

[philly]

Yup! I'm paying the price for that now took a break and the weeds got the better of my yard. :banghead: :banghead:

[Jackie Ramo]

Weeds will always take advantage. How is the front garden? Should be done by now.

[philly]

Nope with all the rain and very hot days did not feel like working outside but will have to get mu butt going again. :banghead: :banghead:

[Jackie Ramo]

I hear you Phil, trying to get the energy to out there and work myself.

[philly]

YES, I going to try to start some work this evening even if it's just a little section.

[Marg]

YES, I going to try to start some work this evening even if it's just a little section.

:frisbee:You haven't posted your progress.......:koi::koi::koi:

Do you need Jackie's help?:director:

[Jackie Ramo]

Phil is missing in action.... Yooo Whoooo Philly, where are you???

[philly]

Have been quite busy, THE WEEDS are taking over my :censored: garden did a little cleaning up yesterday will have to get a major push this week. :lol:

[Jackie Ramo]

Get the fabric down Phil, it should be mostly planted by now.... Then the rocks and goodbye weeds but you have to weed first!!

[philly]

Good choice of words " SHOULD BE PLANTED BY NOW ". :frisbee:

[Jackie Ramo]

Do you need me to come and help?

[philly]

Would that be before we go to Vegas or after we get back, Oh by the way don't forget we also go to Frisco for the wedding and a cruise at the end of the year have to make time to squeeze you in. :lol:

[Jackie Ramo]

Well you had better get the wife out to help you then if she wants to travel <LOL>