Pond Redo

[blondhairboi]

Alright I built a small 400 gallon pond awhile ago learning I built it to shallow. So here is the new pond and it is around 700 gallon and is around 2.5ft deep.The first pic is the new pond being built and the second is the old pond.

[Jackie Ramo]

Pardon me for chuckling but you've rebuilt and haven't got fish yet. :frisbee: Most of us wait to expand until we have fish. I must admit your way is easier. Where in the yard is the new pond? Are you keeping the other pond? The shade will only bother the lilies and really some lilies will even grow in shade.

[blondhairboi]

Well we called in the local koi center and they told us it would be better to fix the pond right now to save the problems in the future with predators. So we pulled the old liner out to reconstruct the pond.

[Jackie Ramo]

Well 2.5 feet will keep the racoons out but its only ankle deep on the Blue Herons. Still if you plan to winter them outside the added depth will be welcome to the fish. 3 ft is sort of minimal for koi.

[blondhairboi]

I was thinking of putting some clay pots or planting containers on the plant shelf to prevent space for a heron to have easy pickings on the fish.GEE im such a wizz :4eyes:

[Jackie Ramo]

Having experienced a great blue visiting my pond I will tell you they are huge and poop the size of an elephant :censored: Took all my fancy goldfish. My pond is almost 5 ft deep. Kingfishers only need a tree branch nearby. Netting a pond is the only real way to protect it.

Still, I love my pond and I am sure you will have years of enjoyment with yours. Seems you have the bug big time. :)

[blondhairboi]

Oh yeah I do...I just cant wait to finish it. As we our going on a vacation the liner is going to go in when we get back. It makes me mad that I have kept having to put out the time towards getting my fish :flamer: but atleast I know they have a better pond now :yup: .

[Jackie Ramo]

Have a good vacation. Rest the back, those liners are heavy and folding them is hard work.

[blondhairboi]

Have a good vacation. Rest the back, those liners are heavy and folding them is hard work.
Thanks :hi5: ..I still got a long way ahead of me though...atleast that dang digging is done,when you hit that clay it sure makes you put that extra work in. Atleast I will get a taste of warm weather down in California :grin:I was thinking of maybe 2 or 3 koi? anyone got there opinions on that...

[marla]

that's thinking ahead, redo before fish!!!

[blondhairboi]

I like I said I am such a wizz :4eyes: ........... !rofl

[blondhairboi]

Well now that we have got this going...we realized we needed to either get a bigger pump and add more filtration. So we went out and bought some neat rock and will be building a trickle waterfall that will have water sent through a box filled with lava rocks that will then spill down the falls. I am thinking of probably just getting another small pump since the filter/waterfall really only does it job when the water is not sent through it at a high rate(what i was told). Any thoughts or comments are welcome

[Jackie Ramo]

I believe the faster the flow the better. Less algae, less debris build up more ogygen... bio grows anyway...

[clm]

Both of my bogs have a high flow as well. Works fine.

Cindy

[Peg]

Both of my underwater pumps that are rated for 5600 gal per/hr pump full open all the time. The other pump is 950 gal per/hr it runs the same and the pond is only 3600gal the water turn over 3.3 times an hour. I have a small fish load but I like the high turn over rate myself. Better safe then sorry.
Peg

[marla]

our pond is around 1800gal maybe more, never metered. We run a 7500gph pump in ours, makes for good sound and strong muscles on the fish, swimming in the currant.

[blondhairboi]

Well today I ordered a 132 gallon pump and since I found a great deal I also got a 185 gallon pump. The 132 gallon should help my no bottom drain problems a little bit, as it sucks from the bottom of the pump. The second pump will be a backup and eventually a quarintine to. :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

Frankly I've never heard of sucha pump, what brand is it?

[blondhairboi]

I mainly got it cause I wanted to try it out which is mainly why I bought a second pump.lol :HAHA: . but heres the link
http://www.pondsupply.com/product356.html

[Jackie Ramo]

OK fountain pumps. Be careful because they will jam with debris pretty quick. Put a chain on it so its easy to pull out and clean. Also set it up off the bottom a bit. I can't count the number of posts I've read where people have got up in the morning to an empty pond and dead fish because some racoon or whaterver knocked over the spitter or moved the hose and the pump just worked until the pond was empty.

[blondhairboi]

OK fountain pumps. Be careful because they will jam with debris pretty quick. Put a chain on it so its easy to pull out and clean. Also set it up off the bottom a bit. I can't count the number of posts I've read where people have got up in the morning to an empty pond and dead fish because some racoon or whaterver knocked over the spitter or moved the hose and the pump just worked until the pond was empty.

Thanks for the tips :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

Anytime.

BTW,isn't it time we got a pic update of the pond?

[NaturesCall]

some take those little pumps and make a filter box for them. take a small plastic box with a lid...drill holes in it and line it with filter matt. This keeps the pump relatively clean.

[blondhairboi]

I'll try to get some photos, left over water and yuck is in bottom until pumps come so I can get to work on the trickle waterfall. :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

It all looks so straight forward on paper.... started my own pond build this week.

[blondhairboi]

It all looks so straight forward on paper.... started my own pond build this week.
Sweet lets see some pics of that one to. :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

Sweet lets see some pics of that one to. :yup:


:frisbee: You need to explore the board more, this is even in the construction section

http://backyardpuddle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1741

[blondhairboi]

Haha thanks for making me feel like a retard :lol: Its looking good though hope mine gets to work on soon. Those pumps should come in the next 1-2 days. :banghead:

[Jackie Ramo]

I hope to get back to my project this weekend. Joe returns tomorrow but I have a list of chores so he may just get the sod removed for the pond. Problem is I haven't found a place to put the dirt as yet.

[blondhairboi]

I just got word that the pumps will come on monday :2cool: . Now I get to work on getting my waterfall done and fill up my pond. I believe the fishies will like this 700gal+ way more than the 350+ pond. :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

Progress!!! I am on hold for another week or more... but will get plumbing supplies this week.

[blondhairboi]

Heres the pond and a photo of my amazing yellow lab :yup:. In the corner you can see the trickle waterfall being built. :grin:

[Jackie Ramo]

Great looking dog.

Real progress on the pond as well. Did the pumps arrive?

[blondhairboi]

Great looking dog.

Real progress on the pond as well. Did the pumps arrive?
Thanks and yes they did arive. Today we put the cement in for the waterall that will prevent eany leaking underneath the rocks just to be sure.

[Jackie Ramo]

Be sure to let the cement cure before adding water. It can leech into the pond and cause fishy problems later.

[marla]

blondhairboi, on the home stretch now, soon you'll have fish in there. Looking good.

[blondhairboi]

thanks. This whole forum has been alot of help and I will continue to visit this site. :)

[blondhairboi]

Filled her up about 10 minutes ago and dechlorinated. Pics will be up tommorow as I ran out of light. :HAHA:

[marla]

Can't wait to see them.

[Jackie Ramo]

Congrats! Sun's up, where are the pics :frisbee:

[blondhairboi]

Here yea go.

[carcha koi]

LOOKS GOOD. WELL DONE :grin:

[Jackie Ramo]

Bet you did a little dance when the water came out of the pump. Always a thrill.

[blondhairboi]

Bet you did a little dance when the water came out of the pump. Always a thrill.
You know it. :yup:

[marla]

Very pretty, must be nice to be done. I'm still working on the rocks on the lily pond, it's slow going only have the weekends if the weather is nice and I'm home.

[blondhairboi]

Would it be ok to put fish in tommorow if the waters at the right temp. Its been dechlorinated for coming on 3 days :x: I will be open tommorow so... :grin:

[Jackie Ramo]

Have you bought the fish? I can see no reason that they can not go in now. Float them and only the fish no water goes into the pond.

[blondhairboi]

I havent bought them yet but I have time to go tommorow. Tending towards only keeping 3 in the pond and maybe buying two tommorow unless three catch my eye. :yup:

[Jackie Ramo]

Buy all the fish from the same place and from the same tank if you can. This way they will all be healthy or all have the same thing. Needless to say do not buy from a tank that has even one sick fish in it. Get 3 they will be good company for each other.

[blondhairboi]

Well we only got 2 today as we were looking for only the best in the tanks. I will try to get pictures up. Now that there in the pond they are not all that active though...they basically sit on the bottom and slowly move around every once in a while. Is this just normal since its a new enviroment. :frisbee:

[Jackie Ramo]

Yes, they will be very skittish for several weeks. Now the next fish needs to be quarantined before adding to the pond so it doesn't give them bogeys.

[blondhairboi]

Heres my pond and my amazing fishies. I also purchased a lily which has already reached the surface. :yup: These fish were eye getters :eeeeek: to me but you cant get a good glimpse of both of them, but atleast an idea.

[Jackie Ramo]

What an exciting time. Cute babies there. I look forward to better pics once they've settled in.

Just one note, the lily will be happier away from the falls, they like still water.

Congrats!!! You are now officially a pond o holic! :yup:

[blondhairboi]

Haha Thanks Jackie

[blondhairboi]

I picked up my 3rd and last koi. He is a metallic gray and almost looks darg green in the sun. :yup: The other koi have grown so he looks smaller but they are starting to warm up now...and eat when I am around :) I have been adding pond salt to the pond just to be safe if the other koi might have had problems to. I also have a net now because of the birds I have seen, and heard of local incidents.

[Jackie Ramo]

Keep an eye on all of them. Not quarantining is a risky business take 2-3 weeks to know if things will be ok.

Isolating from the others is the most often noticed first thing or not eating.

[marla]

Congrats on all the new babies, see you have a net up, playing it safe. Wish I would have had my whole pond netted this year, we just lost 2 fish(an origanal and favorite red shubunkin and DH's favorite albino goldfish), so it is totaly netted now, even put up a net over the little pond, cause the baby goldfish up there who were so friendly have been hiding the last 2 days. Tonight they were back out and as friendly as ever.

[Jackie Ramo]

Marla, I'm sorry to hear that that nasty bird got your fish. Why is it they never take one you don't care about....

[blondhairboi]

Marla, I'm sorry to hear that that nasty bird got your fish. Why is it they never take one you don't care about....
Thats what you think, but you just care about every single one. lol

[Jackie Ramo]

Well yes but although we never tell them, we do have our favourites, and for some reason the first darn thing that goes wrong happens tothem. Look at my lovely Cooper, my fav in the pond and gone so quickly this spring after 6 years. Not fair I say, take the 3 or 4 who are looking for new homes. Or worse the wonderful Sweet, the good twin of evil old Tweet, gone and had I known I'd have switched Tweet in a heartbeat. I only keep that grumpy old thing in memory of his brother.

So caring for all is true, trust me, when things go wrong you'll find the one missing is really the one you loved the most.

[marla]

So angrey today I'm livid :censored: !grrrr went out to feed the fish and 2 more are missing, both females, an original sarrassa nice and large and a smaller blue shubunkin. A couple days ago I changed the netting a bit so the cattails and grasses wouldn't be so squashed, guess I left to much space on the bottom, something went in, the curley rush are all squashed and a leaf off the lily. Last night when I was up at 3am feeding my grandson who spent the night I kept thinking look outside, it was so dark, but I flashed the yard lights, errrrrrrrr :banghead: !grrrr :flamer: no remains so I'm thinking a heron but I'm not sure.

[Jackie Ramo]

Marla I am so sorry. If there isn't much of a mess than heron for sure. Kingfishers dive so that wouldn't be the culprit. Do you have green herons there, much smaller bird but still likes to eat fish.

[marla]

Not sure about green heron. I feel so guilty :cry: , I should have left the net alone and secured down :mad: the curly rushes were a mess that's why I wasn't sure if maybe something else was in there or there was the struggle there. What ever I pulled the net back tight and put down more rocks, hope that works, DH says we should get a motion camera and see for sure what's happening but I won't spend money for that, he may borrow one from a co-worker. I'm also thinking that because I added this huge lily pond, it's easier to spot the ponds so of course I'm regretting putting that in. I just want to sit by the pond and enjoy it with-out the nets, but that is not going to happen I guess, this is not what I built it for :( . I just need to put this behind me but I'm having difficulty doing that today.

[Jackie Ramo]

Herons are clever birds and will find a way to dinner. Frustrating and heartbreaking for you Marla.

[blondhairboi]

The pond water has been getting greener because I believe the small amount of filtration. What do you guys believe is the best way to solve my problem. It seems the algae and yuck is getting stuck and clogged in the pumps pre-filter before reaching the filter :crybaby: I cleaned out one but the one that goes to the filter is in the deep end. :crybaby:Would a pool sand filter work for a pond?Would a UV be good?

[Peg]

I used a long wooden pole with a good scrub brush zip tied to the end. Don't laugh it works. Then I scrub the algae off the pump screen. Use the skimmer net or let the skimmer suck it in and clean the filter. My pond is 5' deep. Peter was happy to see what I came up with, it saved him from having to go swimming :lol: If you don't have a UV light you may want to look into it. My water was starting to green up untill I got the Uv light pluged in.
Peg

[Jackie Ramo]

Peek, you have a new pond, green water is part of the development. Terrible to be sure but normal nonetheless. More filtration will help. Look at my veggie filter and someof the bog filter posts here. Simple, cheap and work great

[blondhairboi]

Well we went out and bought another filter which I believe will help out alot. Its a cheapy one but it goes through 2 filter pads one thicker one more fine then about 12 bioballs then into the pump. We also bought some "algae no more" chemicals to see how it goes.

[Jackie Ramo]

Let the filter do the work. Algaecides are nothing but grief. They kill the algae, deplete the oxygen and the algae still has to be removed or it rots causing the water to go bad and the fish to suffer and/or die and then the algae comes back.

[blondhairboi]

Well my problem was the pre-filter. By putting it inside of a sumbersible filter box my problems should start to slowly cure. Now the big stuff will get caught then the other gunk will get sent up to my lava rock filter then sent out another filter mat and then down the falls. Lets hope for the best. I got to see my little black metallic fish today. In this listing http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/for/359405701.html he looks just like the 17" Yamabuki Doitsu Ogon Butterfly (If thats the more sparkly looking one). I just can not get a good enough glimpse of him to tell if he is a butterfly or not because he is only around 3 inches.

[Jackie Ramo]

Did your quarantine your new fish?

The box prefilter should give you some relief from having to clean daily. I wish there was a way for me to prefilter from the bottom drain but that is not possible with my set up but I'm getting very good at taking a pump apart.

[blondhairboi]

Did your quarantine your new fish?

The box prefilter should give you some relief from having to clean daily. I wish there was a way for me to prefilter from the bottom drain but that is not possible with my set up but I'm getting very good at taking a pump apart.
Well what we did was we just quarintined the whole pond with the 3 fish and they have been going strong ever since. The two I first bought have already grown an inch and the little black guy is still to hard to spot right now(I get glimpses). It has been clearing up though ever since my pre-filter has been reliefed of frequent clogs. :yesyes:

[blondhairboi]

Hooray the pond is all cleared up and I now can see my little black guy. The more dominant orange colored one acts as the leader as he must go up to eat or no one else does and when he leaves everyone else leaves from eating then he comes back up and the 2 others do to.I am so happy I bought a net to though as saw a large heron standing at the pond on the corner of my street last week in the backyard since there fence is being rebuilt so you can see the pond. Hehe but I guess thats why its being rebuilt right now. :cheers2U:

[Jackie Ramo]

Doesn't it seemthat with the pond nothing seems to befinished. If its not expanding the pond its moving the fence so you can see it better.... or cleanign the filters or something. I thought this hobby was supposed to be relaxing :doh:

[blondhairboi]

Today my little black fella must have gotten partially hurt by a bird or other animal because my netting was pulled back in one spot because I was working on moveing my plants and forgot to tie down. I went back out to try to put him into quarintine after getting everything all set up...took around an hour and a half. Then I came back out and he was on the bottom lifeless. :banghead: . I feel so bad because it was my mistake and well I sure you guys no how this feels to :crybaby:

[Jackie Ramo]

We know all too well how quickly things can go wrong. If he died that quickly the Q probably would not have helped but still one likes to have the opportunity.

Silly question but are you sure he is dead? They often look dead lying there breathing only 2 a minute.

[blondhairboi]

Yea he was dead, he was almost dead when we first saw him sadly.

[Jackie Ramo]

Sorry that you lost him. I don't understand why it is never the fish we don't care about that the bad things happen to. It always seems to be the ones we like most. Although I am surprised the black one got hit, he must have been friendly, its usually the brightest ones taken.

[blondhairboi]

Well he like to go hang out in a fold in the liner which is only like 2 inches below the surface so... I think that was the problem. By the way when you only have 3 fish you care about every one...now I only have 2 :drunk:

[Jackie Ramo]

Actually if you have 20 fish you care about each one. We know we aren't supposed to have favourites but we do anyway. Even amongst your 3 you said he was the favourite.

[blondhairboi]

Looks like the hunts on for another black fish :cheers2U:

[Jackie Ramo]

I wonder why black fish are becoming so popular. I gave away a dozen or so last year. I have 2 now but one is very dark brown the other is definately black. Still mine are not friendly and one barely sees them in the pond.

[marla]

I've always heard black ones are lucky. Maybe I should look for one. :grin:

[Jackie Ramo]

Crow fish as they are called are supposed to be lucky. Mine haven't won me the lottery so who knows if it is true or not. The only baby left from last year is black, so now I have 3 fish you can't see and one that is like a ghost with his touch of copper down the back with the rest of him black. They all eat like pigs though

[marla]

that would be the problem with the black ones, keeping track of them. I have 2 babies from this years spawn that I believe to be koi, well one for sure, it looks almost like a clone of the yellow and black female I have, the other is still questionable, have not come close enough to the edge to find barbells, it is silver except for black tail and fins and has a very very white nose, and the top of the head and above the eyes. It is driving me nuts trying to figure it out, maybe it's a koi/goldfish hybrid. They both swim with the koi, unlike the baby goldfish who swim alone, and the little yellow and black one now comes to the surface to feed, it is quite cute.

[Jackie Ramo]

Once the black ones come to size they are easier to see. Mine are finally getting friendly but the one is huge!!!

Always nice to have babies in the pond provided its only a few. I've seen none in the pond from this years spawn, I am not complaining having just rehomed 4 from 2 years ago.

[blondhairboi]

Oh sorry for not being on my page for awhile, but my sis went out and bought me a unique koi as a b-day present since my black one died the week of my birthday and he is just a cutey. Then within the last couple weeks a family friend bought a koi for his aquarium and came into the problem of not knowing he needs a pond :banghead: . Well this koi happened to be just like the copper one Jackie described as its top back is copper. So I am baby sitting his koi right now since I couldn't say no :doh: If he doesn't build a pond I don;t know what I will do because I am either going to have to make the pond a bit bigger or cut off my shelf to do the least....Oh yeah and make a larger filter :tantrum:

[Jackie Ramo]

:HAHA: Warned you at the beginning, bigger is better!!

What did the koi die of? Any symptoms, many problems are caused by parasties and not quarantining new fish... :frisbee:

First symptom to look for is isolating and being 'quiet' then not eating.

[blondhairboi]

I thought I already said but it appeared that a critter or bird got a piece of him...because I had a little piece of net not covering cause I moved plants the other day. :banghead:

[Jackie Ramo]

Sorry, I'm old and forget things every minute or so if not reminded :HAHA:

[blondhairboi]

The heavy recent rainfall caused one of my fish to die and others flashing. The ph dropped to 6.2....I am going to get me some chemicals :crybaby: (I don't think that the rain would make it drop so much any help?

[Jackie Ramo]

Wow that's a lot of rain, wish we had some. Sorry about the fish.

All you need is baking soda - arm & hammer brand type stuff. Cheap and safe

test your KH as well as the pH.

[blondhairboi]

What does the baking soda do...raise it, lower it, stabilize. Well yesterday I lost another one and this morning the other 2 died. The people at petsmart said the water just changed the ph short time and that the rest of the fish should be fine...... :doh: I don't think he was correct. Ahwell I guess this is just stages of being a begginer ponder... :tantrum: I just can't believe I lost them all and I feel like a killer :crybaby:

[Jackie Ramo]

The baking soda acts as a buffer for the pH. You need a KH test kit and a GH one is handy to have. KH tells you how much buffering your Ph has. GH tells you how hard the water is therefore how many minerals etc.

1 pound of baking soda with raise the KH 70 points per 1,000 gallons. A safe place for the kh to measure is 100 - 120, 80-300 is fine.

Sorry you are losing the fish. Test the tap water as well so you know what you are putting in but a water changes is quick and easy fix most times.

[blondhairboi]

Alright I did a water change and cleaned all the filters but over the last 3 days there has been foam on top of the water and it is still there. Even when I turn the pump off it stays there. Could this have been a problem. I also have a leak in the water fall now for some reason so I need to work on that. I am going to bring my water in for a more accurate test since my strips just expired. Also I did not quite understand how the soda works...when it buffers the kh would that change the ph also or what

[Jackie Ramo]

The baking soda has a pH of 8.3 so it will raise the pH to that level. The fish are just fine with the high a pH as long as it stays steady. My pH was 9 for years and this year for some reason it is 7.5.... I've done nothing different and still add the baking soda when needed.

[blondhairboi]

K well I was at lowes and they had test kits so I bought one. The nitrates were safe, the alkalinity was low, but the hardness was at 25 and the ph was at 6.0...So could you tell me what I need to do and how much baking soda I should put in since it is around an 800 gallon pond.

[Jackie Ramo]

I'd put in 1/4 cup every 8 hours until you hit a pH of 7.5 GH /hardness is lowish at 25. At sometime that may need to be dealt with but a ph of 6 kills fish. do not finish reading this note go and put the baking soda in the pond.

[blondhairboi]

K i just put in a 1/4 of baking soda...what would be a way to deal with hardiness?

[Jackie Ramo]

I'm on my new computer so don't have my notes for procedures gone brain dead on whether it is calcium carbonate or chloride that raises GH... anyway Terri will save me.

Good on the Baking soda Test the water again and see how the pH is.

[blondhairboi]

K well I checked it and it raised to around 6.5 so added some more :yup: Thanks alot jackie...i think the hardiness is caused when theres not enough calcium

[marla]

my ph took a bit of a dive with all the rain also, not to much though. Cleaned the biofalls and simmer mats today so I think adding more well water may bring it back up. Forgot to check though, will have to tommorrow

[blondhairboi]

Called today since my numbers have been good for the last 3 days and they said they were gettting a shipment around noon and could pick some up at 1. So I went there and was able to get a pure yellow, pure white, and a somewhat cross butterfly and normal koi that looks like a sarassa comet but has koi whiskers. I also picked up some pond salt :yup: I am going to get up some pics to show off these buggers. They are already swimming at the top and also eat compared to my first bunch. I got a feeling three is all but who knows :lol: if you know in future that means :banghead: ... :doh:

[Jackie Ramo]

Keep an eye on the new babies. Glad they have moved into the new home happily. Where are the pictures???

[marla]

Hope those new babies work out for you, yeah pictures.

[blondhairboi]

Heres the cuties...off camera phone so not great quality

[Jackie Ramo]

They look right at home. Often koi from the same batch do well as they know each other already.

[blondhairboi]

sorry I have not been on in awhile...Heres the update

The sarassa looking fish started acting weird even though the water was at its best in a long time. The fish passed in 3 days after I noticed the actions.

From then my other two fish have been doing extremely well and are "hibernating" with two new friends that were picked up about a month ago. :yup: The water is green again but water is doing well even though I recently stopped feeding due to water temps. I am already seeing growth on the fish and am eager to see how they all will look in a few months.

[Jackie Ramo]

Thanks for the update. Sorry about the fish loss but sometimes that does happen. As long as no one else is showing symptoms..

Have you winterized the pond?

[blondhairboi]

Winterized as in a indoor setup then that would be no...but my pumps will easily keep a hole open as the thickest it got without a pump running last year was one inch :lol: I have stopped feeding though, is there anything else I should do...its my first winter with fish

[Jackie Ramo]

Bio should be placed in the pond so it doesn't dry out, filters should be clean and of course the pond bottom should be spotless.

Many cover their pond to keep the ice off and the water temps up.

[blondhairboi]

Is it ok if I do some water changes still, I just don't want to make a mistake although I think they should be alright as long as it is not to big.

[Jackie Ramo]

I do water changes in January and will continue this fall as long as the pond is ice free. In January or Feb we usually get a warm spell and I will do a water change at that time. Reminds me to bring in one of the hoses now.

[Peg]

Like Jackie I do water changes all winter if the water is open. Pond water can still tank in the winter so remember to do your water test as well.

[blondhairboi]

Thanks so much....I am thinking of purchasing a uv soon since I have heard of how great they can be. I would think a 9-11 watt is where I should be looking?

[Jackie Ramo]

Not sure what size you need for your pond, what is the gallonage again?

I'm late with the hose, went yesterday to do the waterchange and the hose was frozen... in the greenhouse now to thaw out.

[blondhairboi]

My pond is 800-900 gallons and these are the two I have narrowed it down to....Cyprio Ecostar at the top-middle of the page http://www.azponds.com/filters.htm#Oase

or this one
http://cgi.ebay.com/Koi-Pond-Pressurized-Filter-w-UV-Sterilizer-1000-Gal_W0QQitemZ230193009933QQihZ013QQcategoryZ103440 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I would like to know the quality of either one and what you think I should get...This will replace the lava rock filtration at the top of my falls as there is a leak and we are going to be taking it apart anyways.

By the way.. how cold is it there here we are 40's and 50's,mountains getting a little bit

[Jackie Ramo]

""The BioTech filters have a simple multi-chamber flow system ideal for koi ponds. The filter pads quickly filter out large particles and also act as a housing for microorganisms. BioTech filters are constructed of a UV resistant plastic with a built in pollution indicator and thermometer. For best filtration use in conjunction with Bitron UV clarifiers.

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This is the one I'd get, pressurized filters don't do as much as the manufacturers claim they do.

[blondhairboi]

Thats a bit of money....what do you think of the two I put up top or something in the 90-130 price range. It does not have to have a UV but i am fed up with green water and would like it to be at the top of my spillaway.

[Jackie Ramo]

You could make your own filter which is cheap. Filters don't have to be high tech or expensive but my experience with the pressure filters is they don't work all that well and are hard to clean.

I made a veggie filter this year for the pond and the water was clear most of the season. A settlement chamber that allows the solids to separate will make a huge difference with green water that feeds on those same solids.

Have a look through the pond construction area and you'll see several examples. Even my veggie filter acted as a settlement chamber as well as a filter.

[blondhairboi]

Long time no see. Fish are doing great and same with the pond. Fish are around 1 and a half years old and one butterfly is almost a year old and the pond has settled with no more ph fluctuations a year solid. WOOHOO. Need Pictures and will be soon. The waterfall leaked once again so it has given me an excuse to use my old tarp and build a little pond up top as a mini veggie filter to lead to the pond. More so the plants have time to get a little bigger before the fish demolish em. Can't wait to get that going. Fun seeing everyones ponds up here still.

[philly]

Welcome back, glad to see that your pond and koi are doing well some of us have had some problems but that's what happens in this hobby of ours sometimes all is well and other times we have to do some sort of work, that's ponding for you keeps us thinking what's going to be next. :wink:

[Jackie Ramo]

Welcome back. We are all excited to get our ponds up and running again. Seems we are all having varying levels of problems but the fish make it worthwhile.

[carcha koi]

Welcome back. Pics would be nice.

[Koidaddy]

Thank the Lord you're back!..... Need someone new to drown out blabbermouth!!
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[philly]

Thank the Lord you're back!..... Need someone new to drown out blabbermouth!!
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Talking about yourself again. :frisbee:

[Koidaddy]

Talking about yourself again. :frisbee:

It's so obvious that math is not one of your strong suits!

I graced this board way back in October, 2005 and to date have a total of 2788 posts, whereas you contaminated... I mean joined the board in November of 2008 and have a whopping 3660 posts!! ........Now, who's the Blabbermouth???

KD
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[philly]

Wait a minute I'm a writer not a talker, you don't see me using the phone do you.. :frisbee:

[Koidaddy]

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[philly]

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Thanks for the kind words. :lol:

[Koidaddy]

You're !welcome